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notes: Chi-Hua Chien (Kleiner Perkins Caufiled & Byers) Keynote @ iphonedevcamp ’09

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Chi-Hua Chien (Kleiner Perkins Caufiled & Byers) Keynote @ iphonedevcamp ‘09

Chi-Hua Chien (Kleiner Perkins Caufiled & Byers) Keynote @ iphonedevcamp ‘09

iphonedevcamp 09 friday keynote intro
– BT is the music guest
— did the Monster soundtrack.
— He’s a legend in the electronic scene.
— He has an app (“sonify”) in the appstore.  It performs a stutter edit when shaken

Chi-Hua Chien (Kleiner Perkins Caufiled & Byers) Keynote
– $100M ifund
– KPCB runs it
– # users of mobile internet is 4x desktop users, so it’s a huge opportunity
– how did the iphone change things?
— high speed internest
— consumer-oriented biz behind it
— appstore
— unified platform
– how is the fund doing?
— iphone sales dwarf ipod sales
— news, games, music usage on iphone far exceeds that on desktops
— 1.5B downloads from appstore in 165 days
— 4000 proposals reviewed
— 250 companies met
— actively engaged w/ 5 companes
— $45M deployed; will probably exceed $100M cap
— ifund companies: pelago, gogii, icontrol, ngmoco, booyah, mobshop, +1 unannounced
– ideas to consider
— intro
— #1 app in appstore (100k downloads/day): “do not push the red button”.  Does nothing!
— current top apps are a bit disappointing, non-innovative
— general thoughts
— innovation is key
— small, hacky apps are not long-term
— $0.06 ecp currently for ad space on apps
— categories
— mobile commerce
—- hypothesis: will be 3-4x size of commerce on internet ($100B), ie close to $1T
—- not too long ago, we were willing to pay $1 for info on 411
—- phones are great for spontaneous purchases
—- what will be the amazon, google of the mobile world
— realtime everywhere & anywhere
—- the internet was a really good newspaper; after you walk away from the computer, the internet is over.
—- the mobile internet knows a lot more about you
—- the mobile internet is always on
— local search
—- local search is completely different from desktop search, ie social, geo are bigger factors
— healthcare
—- mobile device can transmit monitoring data from embedded device
—- m. device can also analyze data
—- us gov is going to spend a lot to digitize med. data
— augmented reality
—- mobile device overlays data on top of real world
— real-world gaming
—- online games have spent a lot to build massive virtual worlds.  what if the planet was the world you played in?  what would ou play?
— QA
— size of funding & size of teams?
—- pelago $18M, 3 ppl
—- gogii $25M(?), 3
—- ngmoco $15M, 3 ppl
—- booyah $5M, 3 ppl
—- mobshop $5M, 1 guy, worked out of KPCB
—- icontrol 25-30 ppl
— min size of team?
—- 1 person
— can u form a company w/ 1 person?
—- yes, the laywers can work that out
— how can a vc firm, fund these companies, given the “capriciousness” of the apple review process?
—- KPCB has a very good relationship w/ apple
—- don’t try to launch a mobile operating sys.
— eductaional apps?
—- mobie is a componenet of ed
—- huge market
— top 5 things that matter when selecting a company to fund?
—- market, team (do you know what you’re doing), tech (is it defensible), prod (compelling?), biz. model (how are you going to make money)
— 4k proposals, $100M avail, are we on track?
—- ballpark, this is a really fast pace
—- KP has 3 ractices: life, info, green
—- 10k biz plans fund 15 comapnies/year
— signal to noise?
—- comperable to other biz areas
—- 300 in 1st 24/hrs
—- former web host has published early proposals
— level of detail in projections?
—- google’s orig. biz plan didn’t account for $1B in first years
—- no way to get it right
—- most important is how you think about it
— do you encourage fin. projections? yes
— preferred method of receiving proposals? email
— do you need a full biz plan?
—- 35 pages used to be the norm
—- now a deck that covers the 5 main areas is sufficient
— given current apps are disapponting, how could apple improve this?
—- apple selects apps that push the platform
—- fb app store was a freeforall
—- all the great apps we could have built around fb never happened because fb had no editorial
—- we’re going thru a market education process
—- the media hasn’t given enough notice to apps that are changing the world
— are these slides avail somewhere?
—- they’ll be on the ipdc website
— how important are barriers to entry?  how many have patents?
—- very imp., and almost all have patents
—- very difficult tech. is more imp. than patents
— hardware, software, accessories?
—- hardware takes a lot of capital, so it’s noty a vc-backed
//who’s bored?  ok, i’ll take 2 more
— to what extent has the pace of dev. in the iphone space affected KP biz. practice?
—- they impl. salesforce behind the site to hadnle the scale of submissions
—- this is still a very personal, high-touch biz
— I have been awarded a project (online sales to iphone), can we get funding?
—- no, KP is not investing in services
—- KP is looking for ppl developing IP
— what’s the dominant revenue model?
—- user-purchase, either virtual goods or real
—- thru apple’s payments platform
— are there tools deleopers can use to promote beyond the appstore, ie how to promote?
—- mobclix, adworld, tapjoy, etc run ad campaigns outside appstore
—- apple has sold 45M iphones/ipod touch, vs billions of handhelds sold overall
— make a lot from a few users, or a little from a lot?
—- depends on market: medical apps cost a lot; tons of free apps that are ad supported.
— would it help or hinder to have multiple disparate projects?
—- focus is best
—- pick the best one
— any segmentation among the funded projects?
—- not at the outset, but now we can see some in the data
—- gogii is loved by teens because their parents won’t get them a texting plan
— iterative dev?
—- yes, the app store looks more like internet dev, than packaged goods
— size of exit from 5M invested?
—- material, pub. companies, are coming.  this is the goal of KP
cchien@kpcb.com

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Written by Erik

July 31, 2009 at 6:31 pm

tutorial: “visudo: command not found”

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screenshot: visudo: command not found

Goal:

Install visudo on CentOS 5.2

Motivation:

We need visudo to edit the “sudoers” file.  We want to edit this file to enable users in the “wheel” group to conjure sudo (as described on the Slicehost site.  I’ve never known visudo to be unavailable, but, for whatever reason, it was absent from a fresh install of CentOS on my host.

Solution:

It could be that it’s in a directory that’s not in your PATH, but this was not my problem.  Instead, I needed to install sudo.  Doesn’t that just sound weird?  Why wouldn’t sudo be installed?  Anyways, the fix was simple:

yum -y install sudo

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July 30, 2009 at 8:57 pm

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tutorial: building an OpenSSH chroot jail on CentOS 5.3

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Goal:

allow users to log into a CentOS 5.3 server via ssh, but then constrain their mobility by using the chroot support introduced in OpenSSH 4.8p1.

Resources:

1) http://v2.robbyt.com/2008/howto/chrooted-sftp-with-openssh-5/

2) http://www.dotnux.com/?p=3

3) http://forums.fedoraforum.org/archive/index.php/t-30684.html

Procedure:

I followed the tutorial in resource 2 for the most part, but the rpm build will fail with an error if the “/usr/src/redhat/RPMS/i386” and “/usr/src/redhat/BUILD” directories are not made in advance, a step in resource 1.  

With these two tutorials, I was able to build and install OpenSSH 5.1, but then I ran into a couple hiccups.  When I tried to log in using a dummy account (“random1”) assigned to the “sshusers” group described in resource 1, ssh rejected my log in with an error: “Permission denied (publickey,gssapi-with-mic).”.  Looking in the ssh logs (“/var/log/secure”), I saw: “Authentication refused: bad ownership or modes for file “/home/random1/.ssh/authorized_keys”.  Referring to the details provided in resource 3, I changed the permissions on “random1/.ssh” and “random1/.ssh/authorized_users” to 700.  Then I was able to ssh in, but immediately I received the error “/bin/bash: No such file or directory”, and was bounced out.  I moved the ls and bash executables placed in “/usr/bin” in resource 2, to “/bin” and then all was good 🙂

Special thanks to robbyt, author of resource 1, for his assistance.

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July 28, 2009 at 7:51 pm

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notes: Bayjax Meetup @ Yahoo! Sunnyvale (7/27): Crockford “The JSON Saga”

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Douglas Crockford describing The JSON Saga

Douglas Crockford talking about "The JSON Saga"

 

notes from Bayjax Meetup: http://www.meetup.com/BayJax/calendar/108524

Doug Crockford on the json saga

– json already existed in nature, but crockford discovered it

– it wwas being used at netscape in he form of array literals in communication 5 yrs before crockford discovered it

– crockford’s first transmission used js embedded in html in a frame for cross-browser compatability

– they set document.domain to get around the same origin policy

– backslashes are tolerated in json so we can put html in json

– original name was JSML, but that conflicted w/ a pre-existing java protcol

– json’s good for interserver and db applications

– some of his customers balked at usage because it wasn’t standard, so crockford put up a website to standardize it

– json is the intersection of modern programming languages

— simple values

— sequence of values

— collection of named values

— an intersection is easier to find than a union

– js is brilliant for state machines

– most ppl implement json parsers using eval, but this must be guarded by regex to valiudate the json, which slows it doen

– the latest version of ecma script implements a native JSON.parse, which is ver fast

– ajax was an important influence on json uptake

– improvements

— strip comments 

— comments broke the parser

— comment parsing greatly increased complexity

— alignment w/ yaml

— added e notation to numnbers

– no version number

— everything’s crap until 3.0, but we avoid this by not having version numbers

— perhaps someday it will be replaced

— at least one piece of the stack will remain constant forever

– minimalism

— can fit on the back of a business card

– influences

— lisp s-expressions

— perhaps the greatest influence

— rebol

— al built upon a represenation of data, which is then executable

— rebol is a brilliant language

— JS, Python, NewtonScript

— Brendon Ike is a brilliant guy, so it’s no accident that it has brilliant aspects

— all were developed in isolation at the same time

— NeXT

— OpenStep property lists

— XML

— how did it become so popular?

—- html reduced it to basics, made it more basic, and made it easier to get everything to balance

—- A-level CTOs threw it out, but the B- and C-level developers embraced it and outnumbered the A-levels

— john seely brown said “maybe only something this simple could work”

—- he thought that the future was in loosely coupled systems

— xmlsucks.org

— some guy named pault lists all the xml alternatives

– disruption

– the 1st rule of workmanship: use the right tool for the right job

– xml arose out of: one tool to rule them all

– where did the idea come from that every data format should be a document format?

— runoff was one of the first

— GML

— Scribe

— the first place where document formate were done well

— separated format from markup

— if the web had been based on scribe instead of sgml, it would be a better place today

— scribe was the first time where doc format was used for data

– license

— MIT + “the software shall be used for good, not evil”

– the logo

— related to the ambihelical hexnut 😛

— a square and a circle w/ a twist

— data interchange we can believe in

– questions

— what would make html better

— make it extensible

— to be able to define new tags using css

— is there case-sensitivity in unicode?

— maybe.  use lower-case in the meantime

— what would you like to see replace json

— jsonp is brilliant

— currently, we can’t easily represent simple bags

— remove the quotes from the keys

— a = []; a[0] = a; => infinite loop when run thru parser

— schema-less langs

— i don’t care

— brilliant work in schema-less dbs now

— why no commnets

— because ppl were using them to communicate w/ the parser

doug crockford on the json saga
– json already existed in nature, but crockford discovered it
– it wwas being used at netscape in he form of array literals in communication 5 yrs before crockford discovered it
– crockford’s first transmission used js embedded in html in a frame for cross-browser compatability
– they set document.domain to get around the same origin policy
– backslashes are tolerated in json so we can put html in json
– original name was JSML, but that conflicted w/ a pre-existing java protcol
– json’s good for interserver and db applications
– some of his customers balked at usage because it wasn’t standard, so crockford put up a website to standardize it
– json is the intersection of modern programming languages
— simple values
— sequence of values
— collection of named values
— an intersection is easier to find than a union
– js is brilliant for state machines
– most ppl implement json parsers using eval, but this must be guarded by regex to valiudate the json, which slows it doen
– the latest version of ecma script implements a native JSON.parse, which is ver fast
– ajax was an important influence on json uptake
– improvements
— strip comments 
— comments broke the parser
— comment parsing greatly increased complexity
— alignment w/ yaml
— added e notation to numnbers
– no version number
— everything’s crap until 3.0, but we avoid this by not having version numbers
— perhaps someday it will be replaced
— at least one piece of the stack will remain constant forever
– minimalism
— can fit on the back of a business card
– influences
— lisp s-expressions
— perhaps the greatest influence
— rebol
— al built upon a represenation of data, which is then executable
— rebol is a brilliant language
— JS, Python, NewtonScript
— Brendon Ike is a brilliant guy, so it’s no accident that it has brilliant aspects
— all were developed in isolation at the same time
— NeXT
— OpenStep property lists
— XML
— how did it become so popular?
—- html reduced it to basics, made it more basic, and made it easier to get everything to balance
—- A-level CTOs threw it out, but the B- and C-level developers embraced it and outnumbered the A-levels
— john seely brown said “maybe only something this simple could work”
—- he thought that the future was in loosely coupled systems
— xmlsucks.org
— some guy named pault lists all the xml alternatives
– disruption
– the 1st rule of workmanship: use the right tool for the right job
– xml arose out of: one tool to rule them all
– where did the idea come from that every data format should be a document format?
— runoff was one of the first
— GML
— Scribe
— the first place where document formate were done well
— separated format from markup
— if the web had been based on scribe instead of sgml, it would be a better place today
— scribe was the first time where doc format was used for data
– license
— MIT + “the software shall be used for good, not evil”
– the logo
— related to the ambihelical hexnut 😛
— a square and a circle w/ a twist
— data interchange we can believe in
– questions
— what would make html better
— make it extensible
— to be able to define new tags using css
— is there case-sensitivity in unicode?
— maybe.  use lower-case in the meantime
— what would you like to see replace json
— jsonp is brilliant
— currently, we can’t easily represent simple bags
— remove the quotes from the keys
— a = []; a[0] = a; => infinite loop when run thru parser
— schema-less langs
— i don’t care
— brilliant work in schema-less dbs now
— why no commnets
— because ppl were using them to communicate w/ the parserdoug crockford on the json saga
– json already existed in nature, but crockford discovered it
– it wwas being used at netscape in he form of array literals in communication 5 yrs before crockford discovered it
– crockford’s first transmission used js embedded in html in a frame for cross-browser compatability
– they set document.domain to get around the same origin policy
– backslashes are tolerated in json so we can put html in json
– original name was JSML, but that conflicted w/ a pre-existing java protcol
– json’s good for interserver and db applications
– some of his customers balked at usage because it wasn’t standard, so crockford put up a website to standardize it
– json is the intersection of modern programming languages
— simple values
— sequence of values
— collection of named values
— an intersection is easier to find than a union
– js is brilliant for state machines
– most ppl implement json parsers using eval, but this must be guarded by regex to valiudate the json, which slows it doen
– the latest version of ecma script implements a native JSON.parse, which is ver fast
– ajax was an important influence on json uptake
– improvements
— strip comments 
— comments broke the parser
— comment parsing greatly increased complexity
— alignment w/ yaml
— added e notation to numnbers
– no version number
— everything’s crap until 3.0, but we avoid this by not having version numbers
— perhaps someday it will be replaced
— at least one piece of the stack will remain constant forever
– minimalism
— can fit on the back of a business card
– influences
— lisp s-expressions
— perhaps the greatest influence
— rebol
— al built upon a represenation of data, which is then executable
— rebol is a brilliant language
— JS, Python, NewtonScript
— Brendon Ike is a brilliant guy, so it’s no accident that it has brilliant aspects
— all were developed in isolation at the same time
— NeXT
— OpenStep property lists
— XML
— how did it become so popular?
—- html reduced it to basics, made it more basic, and made it easier to get everything to balance
—- A-level CTOs threw it out, but the B- and C-level developers embraced it and outnumbered the A-levels
— john seely brown said “maybe only something this simple could work”
—- he thought that the future was in loosely coupled systems
— xmlsucks.org
— some guy named pault lists all the xml alternatives
– disruption
– the 1st rule of workmanship: use the right tool for the right job
– xml arose out of: one tool to rule them all
– where did the idea come from that every data format should be a document format?
— runoff was one of the first
— GML
— Scribe
— the first place where document formate were done well
— separated format from markup
— if the web had been based on scribe instead of sgml, it would be a better place today
— scribe was the first time where doc format was used for data
– license
— MIT + “the software shall be used for good, not evil”
– the logo
— related to the ambihelical hexnut 😛
— a square and a circle w/ a twist
— data interchange we can believe in
– questions
— what would make html better
— make it extensible
— to be able to define new tags using css
— is there case-sensitivity in unicode?
— maybe.  use lower-case in the meantime
— what would you like to see replace json
— jsonp is brilliant
— currently, we can’t easily represent simple bags
— remove the quotes from the keys
— a = []; a[0] = a; => infinite loop when run thru parser
— schema-less langs
— i don’t care
— brilliant work in schema-less dbs now
— why no commnets
— because ppl were using them to communicate w/ the parser

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July 28, 2009 at 8:30 am

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notes: Bayjax Meetup (7/27) @ Yahoo! Sunnyvale: Jon Leblanc on YQL + YUI

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Jon Leblanc talking about YQL + YUI

Jon Leblanc talking about YQL + YUI

 

 

Meetup: http://www.meetup.com/BayJax/calendar/10852424/

jonleblanc on using yui w/ yql
– “select * from internet” gets a laugh
– the console (developer.yahoo.com/yql/console) is an easy way to get started w/ yql
– there are ~80 tables of y! data
– 253 community tables on github.com/yql
– yql execute
– yql insert|update|delete
– christian heilmann’s “geomaker” tool scrapes a url, extracts locations, and plots them on a map
– github.com/jsleblanc/yql-utilities
— js-yql-display
— yql can return jsonp and jsonpx
— yql plays well w/ yui
– questions
— rate limiting
— 1000/hr/ip w/ oauth
— w/ oauth 100k/day/ip
— caching?
— defaults to 5 min
— build your own table or append a var to url to break the cache

jonleblanc on using yui w/ yql

– the console (developer.yahoo.com/yql/console) is an easy way to get started w/ yql

– there are ~80 tables of y! data

– 253 community tables on github.com/yql

– yql execute

– yql insert|update|delete

– christian heilmann’s “geomaker” tool scrapes a url, extracts locations, and plots them on a map

– github.com/jcleblanc/yql-utilities

— js-yql-display

— yql can return jsonp and jsonpx

— yql plays well w/ yui

– links are on http://speakerrate.com/jcleblanc

– questions

— rate limiting

— 1000/hr/ip w/ oauth

— w/ oauth 100k/day/ip

— caching?

— defaults to 5 min

— build your own table or append a var to url to break the cache

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July 27, 2009 at 7:58 pm

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notes: Bayjax Meetup @ Yahoo! Sunnyvale (7/27): Nicole Sullivan on OO CSS

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Nicole Sullivan talking about Object Oriented CSS

Nicole Sullivan talking about Object Oriented CSS

 

 

meetup: http://www.meetup.com/BayJax/calendar/10852424/

nicole sullivan (@stubbornella) on object-oriented css

– slides are on slideshare/stubbornella

– how we are doing css wrong:

— we require expert-level developers to be effective

— filesize is growing out of control

— code re-use is almost nonexistant

— code is too fragile

– most important mistake: we write overly clever modules; everything is a one-off

— so size increases best-case at a 1-1 rate

– so what is oocss?

— stubbornella did write an open-source framework

— oocss lives to the left of the curly braces

– pieces: selctors

— the size of the css file is one of the largest factors in css performance; focus on http requests

— reflows and rendering is not that important

— duplication is worse than stale rules

— define default values; don’t repeat defaults

— define structure in a separate class

— style classes rather than elements; define styles to be dom-independant

— avoid styling elements; define styles in classes

— give all our rules the same strength; make every rule to have the same speceficity

— use hacks sparingly

— we should only need hacks for ie 5.5, 6, and maybe 7; nothing else requires it

— use underscore and star instead of js to apply browser hacks

— avoid specifying location, eg use .sidenave instead of .nav ul

— avoid overly-specific classes

— avoid singeltons, ie aoid using ids

— ids kill re-use

— use mixins

— use encapsulation

— if an object can live on its own, use wrapper classes.  Otherwise, avoid cascading

– heading

— componenets are like reusable legos

— > reusing elements makes them performance freebees <

— avoid duplication

— avoid nearly identical modules

— rule: if two modules are two similar to include next to each other, they’re too close for the same site

— avoid location-depemdent styles

— “HEADING” shouldn’t become “heading” on another part of the page

— define global defaults

— apply styles to classes instead of elements

—- respects semantics while allowing visual flexibility

— do we really need more than 6 headings?

– module

– grid

– questiojns

— if the html is broken, nice css wont work, right?

— yes.  a css obj is composed of html and css

— any research into compilation?

— the w3c should implement “extends” and “inherits” instead of us using compilation

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July 27, 2009 at 7:14 pm

notes: Bayjax Meetup @ Yahoo! Sunnyvale (7/27): Satyen Desai on YUI3 architecture

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Satyen Desai describing architecture of YUI3

Satyen Desai describing architecture of YUI3

satyen desai talking about YUI 3 arch concepts & lessons learned

– mtivation
— yui2 is mature, why change it?
— lighter 
— allow fine-grained include control
— rethink the way we use code: move away from traditional inheritance model towards js augmentation & mixins
— make it easier
— yui2 has four different widget api classes; yui3 has a single, standard api
— make common actions easier
—- iteration
—- chaining
— runtime performance, ie make it faster
— yui2 has always used a good namespace
— yui3 takes namespacing further by giving you instance-level control
-examples
— self-populating
— yui3 pulls down dependencies in an optimized way
—- no more file-order concerns
— yui3 offers protection
— each instance is sandboxed and pulls in its dependencies indeendant of other instances
— self-populating
— naturally creates anonymous function wrappers
— code re-use
— yui3 avoids the kitchen sink by breaking libs into sub-modules and allowing the developer to only load the submodules required
– plugins and examples
— in yui2, all instances of a class contain the kitchen sink
— in yui3, we can use and extend at the sub-module-level
– events
— built from decoupled code
— event facades wrap events in a consistent, normalized interface
— facedes wrap custom events as well
— on and after events are built into the event publisher
— bubbling
— yui3 affords more control over the event stack
— detaching listeners
– node facade
— a single location for wrking w/ anything html related
— enhances and normalizes
— yui3 build utils into the facade as opposed to yui2’s library-based orientation
— extendable
— we can attach plug-ins to a node, eg an io object
— iterationa and batch operations are suported
– core lang convneineces
— isType methods
– questions
— cross domain?
— managed via flash object
— multiple versions?
— the last version loaded is the current version available
— what does yui3 do better than other libs?
— yui3 excels in readability and maintainablility
— can yui3 be used on top of yui2?
— currently, you can use both on a page, but not necessarily build one on the other
– this talk is available online

 

Satyen Desai describing YUI3 architecture

Satyen Desai describing YUI3 architecture

 

 

meetup: http://www.meetup.com/BayJax/calendar/10852424/

Satyen Desai talking about YUI 3 arch concepts & lessons learned

– motivation

— yui2 is mature, why change it?

— lighter 

— allow fine-grained include control

— rethink the way we use code: move away from traditional inheritance model towards js augmentation & mixins

— make it easier

— yui2 has four different widget api classes; yui3 has a single, standard api

— make common actions easier

—- iteration

—- chaining

— runtime performance, ie make it faster

— yui2 has always used a good namespace

— yui3 takes namespacing further by giving you instance-level control

-examples

— self-populating

— yui3 pulls down dependencies in an optimized way

—- no more file-order concerns

— yui3 offers protection

— each instance is sandboxed and pulls in its dependencies indeendant of other instances

— self-populating

— naturally creates anonymous function wrappers

— code re-use

— yui3 avoids the kitchen sink by breaking libs into sub-modules and allowing the developer to only load the submodules required

– plugins and examples

— in yui2, all instances of a class contain the kitchen sink

— in yui3, we can use and extend at the sub-module-level

– events

— built from decoupled code

— event facades wrap events in a consistent, normalized interface

— facedes wrap custom events as well

— on and after events are built into the event publisher

— bubbling

— yui3 affords more control over the event stack

— detaching listeners

– node facade

— a single location for wrking w/ anything html related

— enhances and normalizes

— yui3 build utils into the facade as opposed to yui2’s library-based orientation

— extendable

— we can attach plug-ins to a node, eg an io object

— iterationa and batch operations are suported

– core lang convneineces

— isType methods

– questions

— cross domain?

— managed via flash object

— multiple versions?

— the last version loaded is the current version available

— what does yui3 do better than other libs?

— yui3 excels in readability and maintainablility

— can yui3 be used on top of yui2?

— currently, you can use both on a page, but not necessarily build one on the other

– this talk is available online: http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/theater/

Written by Erik

July 27, 2009 at 6:41 pm

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